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salans7
They really were the "First new truck of the 80s".

It's cool to see where my truck(s) came from. It's even cooler to see an early bullnose on the assembly line.

 
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Rembrant
In case anybody was wondering how an automatic transmission worked.

1994 F150 4x2 Flareside. 5.0 w/MAF, 4R70W, stock.
1984 F150 4X2 Flareside. Mild 302 w/ 5spd. Sold.
1980 F150 4X4 Flareside. 300i6 w/ 5spd. Sold in 2021.
1980 F100 4X2 Flareside. 351w/2bbl w/NP435. Sold in 1995

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Gary Lewis
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That's my experience with a C6.  Exactly.
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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Ray Cecil
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Thats a good one cory.

I have been running all over the place the last two week. My employer rented me a 2019 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited. 8 speed automatic. Manual mode. Its got a 290hp v6. Its quick, but boring. Shifts are slow and sloppy.

I hadnt even started the 82 flareside in the last month. I made the boy go through their toys and make a pile for donation, and we loaded up the blue truck and headed to goodwill.

HUGE difference going from a 2019 8 speed auto, back to a 1982 4 speed manual. But I have to say....Id still rather drive the 82. No one compliments that brand new jeep. EVERY time I get the 82 out, someone compliments it. Kids love it. Old farts at the gas station light up and come talk to me. I love it, and will never sell it.
1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed


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85lebaront2
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Newer ones are much improved, with the exception of the CVTs which in their purest form remind me of a Dynaflow or Turboglide, both of which did not really shift, but did have effectively 2 or 3 different ratios. A whole lot of engine rpm and you picked up speed till the effective gear was direct.

One interesting tidbit, the lock up torque converter dates to 1949 when Packard introduced their Ultramatic Drive, Studebaker's Automatic Drive in 1950. Both used a converter clutch for direct. The original Ultramatic Drive started in high then after the speed needed to overcome the throttle pressure would go into lockup. in 1954 it was changed to allow starting in low gear, then to high and finally to direct. The transmission looked like a Powerglide on steroids. The Studebaker transmission started in intermediate, which was a partial reduction, then shifted to direct with the converter clutch. The transmissions were built by Detroit Gear, now part of Borg-Warner and a number of European cars used them, most well know was Jaguar.

If you think politics makes strange bedfellows, Ford and GM now have several shared transmissions and FWD transaxles. The 10 speed truck transmission is a 10R80 from Ford and a 10L80 or 90 from GM, the FWD 6 speed in our Flex is a 6F50 from Ford and a 6T50 from GM. The letter differences are Ford calls them F for FWD and R for RWD, GM calls the T for transverse (FWD) and L for longitudinal (RWD). Both these are shared products.
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"Getting old is inevitable, growing up is optional" Darth Vader 1986 F350 460 converted to MAF/SEFI, E4OD 12X3 1/2 rear brakes, traction loc 3:55 gear, 160 amp 3G alternator Wife's 2011 Flex Limited Daily Driver 2009 Flex Limited with factory tow package Project car 1986 Chrysler LeBaron convertible 2.2L Turbo II, modified A413

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Bill - I well remember the Terribleglide and the Dynaflush.  Dad's Buicks had the latter, and a friend with a Tri-Power 348 in a '60 Chevy had the former.  And he wouldn't even THINK about running my '58 348/WCFB w/a 3-speed out of a six cylinder.  (Yes, young ones, in Chevroletland any tranny fits any engine.)  The Terribleglide made his car SLOW off the line.  But it would ROLL on top end.

Didn't know about the Packard/Stupidbaker tranny.  That's interesting.  Wish others would have adopted the lock-up converter far earlier.
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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Rembrant
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Ray Cecil wrote
HUGE difference going from a 2019 8 speed auto, back to a 1982 4 speed manual. But I have to say....Id still rather drive the 82. No one compliments that brand new jeep. EVERY time I get the 82 out, someone compliments it. Kids love it. Old farts at the gas station light up and come talk to me. I love it, and will never sell it.
My daily driver is a VW Golf diesel with the 6 speed DSG auto transmission. I have been driving manuals for many years, but I bought this Golf with the DSG specifically because I wanted an automatic trans. The two reasons were that 1. So my wife could drive it on the rare occasion that she needs to...which I usually only twice per year when I take her car to the shop, and 2. because I was getting really tired of the stick shift in traffic. I don't spend a lot of time in traffic, but when I do, it was punishing in a manual trans car. I quite like this little auto, but it's nothing special...it's just an appliance, like a washing machine.


1994 F150 4x2 Flareside. 5.0 w/MAF, 4R70W, stock.
1984 F150 4X2 Flareside. Mild 302 w/ 5spd. Sold.
1980 F150 4X4 Flareside. 300i6 w/ 5spd. Sold in 2021.
1980 F100 4X2 Flareside. 351w/2bbl w/NP435. Sold in 1995

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Gary Lewis
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Back in '72 I bought a new F250 w/a 390 and a C6.  We put a 9 1/2' self-contained camper on it and drove it all over.  Loved the 390, but not so the C6.  Always wished I'd bought the 4-speed, which was probably the NP435.

Now I have Big Blue and the manual in it makes it feel like a real truck.  And driving it is a much more involved experience.  In traffic you are always thinking about what gear you need to be in instead of letting the truck pick the gear.

But I'll admit that towing with Blue is much more laid back than towing with Big Blue.  Perhaps with the new engine and the ZF5 it'll be easier in Big Blue, but Blue makes it so easy.  No muss, no fuss, just can do.
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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ArdWrknTrk
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And therein lies the difference.
Whether you choose to be engaged in what you're doing, or want to just be along for the ride.

I dislike my gearbox when stuck in traffic, but whenever driving an automatic my left foot is constantly looking for something to do.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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Nothing Special
I've rarely minded rowing a manual trans (the exception was my '08 F-250 that shifted so badly that Ford bought it back from me after I filed a lemon-law claim).  But I don't really mind an auto trans either except when it shifts when I don't want it to, or doesn't shift when I do want it to.  Unfortunately that happens at least some with all auto trannies and almost all the time with some.  So it's a rare auto trans that I don't dislike quite a bit (the E4ODs in my old '95 F-150 with a 351W and my current '97 F-250 with a 460 seem to be the least objectionable to me).
Bob
Sorry, no '80 - '86 Ford trucks
"Oswald": 1997 F-250HD crew cab short box, 460, E4OD, 4.10 gears
"Pluto": 1971 Bronco, 302, NV3550 5 speed, Atlas 4.3:1 transfer case, 33" tires
"the motorhome": 2015 E-450-based 28' class C motorhome, 6.8L V-10
"the Dodge": 2007 Dodge 2500, 6.7L Cummins
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85lebaront2
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I have driven both in heavy traffic, coming back from an event in Virginia Beach on I-64 through the Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel (referred to by locals as just HRBT) and driving a distance of maybe 6 miles in 45 min or more in my GT350, my left leg would be shaking by the time we got through the HRBT an into Hampton.

When my best friend bought his 1995 F350 CCB DRW truck he had me drive his 2000 Corvette back to York County and then he brought me back to Exmore. I had some choice words as the HRBT was showing a near 10 mile backup and we went around on I-64 to I-664 to use the Monitor-Merrimac Memorial Bridge Tunnel (It crosses just about where they engaged). The High Rise bridge on I-64 has 3 lanes coming into it, but is only 2 lanes from the bridge entry to the end of I-64, we crept along for about 4 miles with me mumbling about damn Chevy and their 6 speed manual with the blocker for 3-4, sometimes I could use 3rd, other times, I was forced to skip to 5th. Good thing about it, nearly 31 mpg cruising at 65-70.
Bill AKA "LOBO" Profile

"Getting old is inevitable, growing up is optional" Darth Vader 1986 F350 460 converted to MAF/SEFI, E4OD 12X3 1/2 rear brakes, traction loc 3:55 gear, 160 amp 3G alternator Wife's 2011 Flex Limited Daily Driver 2009 Flex Limited with factory tow package Project car 1986 Chrysler LeBaron convertible 2.2L Turbo II, modified A413

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Ray Cecil
Mom had a 1999 vette. 4L60e. It was a lot of fun turning off traction control and launching that C5. Mom and dad could never understand why the rear tires didnt last very long, or why the front brake rotors always stayed warped.....
1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed


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Dorsai
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Gary Lewis wrote
Bill - I well remember the Terribleglide and the Dynaflush.  Dad's Buicks had the latter, and a friend with a Tri-Power 348 in a '60 Chevy had the former.
Dad was a Buick man, huh?  Did he ever have one of these?



I've just about settled on a '60 Invicta like the above as my next car...if I can find one in the right condition for the right price.
Matthew
1980 F-150 Custom 2wd longbed, 300-6, C6, 2.75 rear axle
Atlanta GA
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grumpin
Now that’s a car! Wowza!
Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6-Sold
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1998 GMC Sierra SLE K1500 350 4L60E
Arizona
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Gary Lewis
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No, he skipped from '57 to '64.  But friends down the street had one of the 1960 Buicks, but not the Invicta.  Those are really cool looking!  And with the 401 it would fly - although not too swiftly off the line.
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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Dorsai
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grumpin wrote
Now that’s a car! Wowza!
Isn't it, though?  And check out the interior:



The coolest thing about that dashboard is that what you see as the speedometer is actually a mirror, which reflects the image of the actual speedometer laying horizontally below your line of sight.  The idea is that the angle of the mirror could be adjusted for the height of the driver, giving a perfect viewing angle.

So if you ever find an old Buick speedometer with all the numbers reversed, you now know why.
Matthew
1980 F-150 Custom 2wd longbed, 300-6, C6, 2.75 rear axle
Atlanta GA
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grumpin
That is cool!
Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6-Sold
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1998 GMC Sierra SLE K1500 350 4L60E
Arizona
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grumpin
Speaking of cars...

Bullitt!

https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2018/01/14/mustang-bullitt-found-real-mcqueen?utm_source=SFMC&utm_medium=email&utm_content=19_November_30_Weekend_News#

Edit: Cool that Marti was involved!
Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6-Sold
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1998 GMC Sierra SLE K1500 350 4L60E
Arizona
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Rembrant
Great story isn't it? I've been following it along a little bit. I was a crazy Steve McQueen fan as a kid, and have been ever since. All because of Bullitt and the Bullitt Mustang. It was one of the best sounding cars I had ever heard...I can't remember if it was straight piped or what, but the sound was intoxicating.

Unfortunately for us Ford fans, the car itself was a bit of a turd as a pursuit car...lol. If you read any of the behind the scenes story, the 440 4spd Charger would walk away from the 390 Mustang like it was parked. One of the reasons they left the skinny tires on the Charger was to handicap it against the Mustang. At the end of the day, it didn't matter. They were two very iconic cars though, and were (and still are) universally loved by all.

By the way, that Mustang is going up for auction next month on Mecum. I think there is a big auction going on in Kissimmee starting a month from today.

https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0120-397388/1968-ford-mustang-gt-bullitt/
1994 F150 4x2 Flareside. 5.0 w/MAF, 4R70W, stock.
1984 F150 4X2 Flareside. Mild 302 w/ 5spd. Sold.
1980 F150 4X4 Flareside. 300i6 w/ 5spd. Sold in 2021.
1980 F100 4X2 Flareside. 351w/2bbl w/NP435. Sold in 1995

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grumpin
It is! I saw the auction news, thought maybe they changed their mind. Hadn’t heard that the Charger would walk away from it, (blasphemy!), what cool cars!
Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6-Sold
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1998 GMC Sierra SLE K1500 350 4L60E
Arizona
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